Washington Senate Debate: on Social Security


Joni Ernst: Something like personal savings accounts for younger workers

Democratic TV ads in Iowa have repeatedly misrepresented Joni Ernst's position on Social Security, claiming she "would privatize Social Security" or that she has "proposed privatizing Social Security." But Ernst hasn't proposed or endorsed any plan to change Social Security. At most, Ernst has said that she would consider allowing "younger workers," or those "just entering the workforce," to put some portion of their Social Security payroll taxes into interest-bearing or stock market-based "personal savings accounts" for their retirement.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee aired a TV ad in August called "Team," saying that Ernst "would privatize Social Security." But that goes too far. Ernst hasn't advocated for a completely privatized program, and she certainly hasn't talked about making changes for seniors currently collecting benefits or those nearing retirement, such as the white-haired man featured in the DSCC's ad.

Source: FactCheck.org PacWatch on 2014 Iowa Senate debate Oct 7, 2014

Joni Ernst: Open to privatizing Social Security, but honor promises

Ernst was prodded to explain several positions she staked out on her way to winning the Republican primary in June, such as being open to privatizing Social Security, opposing a federal minimum wage, hoping to eventually phase out ethanol subsidies, and wanting to eliminate the Department of Education.

Ernst defended keeping privatization on the table as one option to save Social Security. many options out there. I haven't endorsed one option over another." Braley said privatizing should not be on the table and neither should raising the retirement age.

Source: Politico.com e-zine on 2014 Iowa Senate debate Sep 28, 2014

Dino Rossi: No comment on raising retirement age or other changes, yet

Both candidates refused to say whether they'd back raising the Social Security retirement age or other changes to the entitlement. They each pointed to a bipartisan commission studying the issue, saying they wanted to read that report before making any promises.
Source: Seattle Times coverage of 2010 WA Senate debate Oct 17, 2010

Patty Murray: No comment on raising retirement age or other changes, yet

Both candidates refused to say whether they'd back raising the Social Security retirement age or other changes to the entitlement. They each pointed to a bipartisan commission studying the issue, saying they wanted to read that report before making any promises.
Source: Seattle Times coverage of 2010 WA Senate debate Oct 17, 2010

Dino Rossi: Massive debt could destabilize Social Security

Murray said Rossi's support for extending tax cuts for individuals who earn $200,000 a year or more could destabilize Social Security, halt the cleanup of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation and hurt student loans and construction projects that repair dams and other infrastructure.

Rossi said it's Murray-backed spending and policies like the recent federal health care legislation that endanger Social Security and other programs He also accused her of "class warfare" for wanting only to extend the tax cut for those earning less than $200,000.

"The biggest threat is going to be the debt--the debt that Sen. Murray has helped amass for this nation," Rossi said. "I don't think her spending is going to help us preserve Social Security for the future."

Source: The Spokesman-Review coverage of 2010 WA Senate debate Oct 15, 2010

Christopher Reed: Let younger workers opt out

Reed argued younger workers ought to be able to opt out and be responsible for their own retirement while those who paid into the program would still get what they contributed. “Americans are smart enough, they don’t need a nanny state taking care of the all the time,” Reed said.

Reed was confronted by crowd member Robert D. Williams, a 79-year-old Democrat from Indianola, who said poor people were left with nothing before Social Security was created. “The Social Security system, the only way it’s going to be solvent, is that we have none of this talk about or action about people opting out and taking their money and doing something else,“ Williams said.

Harkin also expressed opposition to the idea. ”If privatization is so good, why didn’t it work for all those years before we had Social Security?“ Harkin said. ”The reason we have Social Security was because the private sector wouldn’t do this, couldn’t do it.“

Source: 2008 Iowa Senate debate reported in Des Moines Globe Gazette Aug 13, 2008

Tom Harkin: Privatization failed before we had Social Security

Reed argued younger workers ought to be able to opt out and be responsible for their own retirement while those who paid into the program would still get what they contributed. “Americans are smart enough, they don’t need a nanny state taking care of the all the time,” Reed said.

Reed was confronted by crowd member Robert D. Williams, a 79-year-old Democrat from Indianola, who said poor people were left with nothing before Social Security was created. “The Social Security system, the only way it’s going to be solvent, is that we have none of this talk about or action about people opting out and taking their money and doing something else,“ Williams said.

Harkin also expressed opposition to the idea. ”If privatization is so good, why didn’t it work for all those years before we had Social Security?“ Harkin said. ”The reason we have Social Security was because the private sector wouldn’t do this, couldn’t do it.“

Source: 2008 Iowa Senate debate reported in Des Moines Globe Gazette Aug 13, 2008

Christopher Reed: Honor promises, but chance to opt out of Social Security

Q: What about increasing revenues for Social Security, or reducing benefits? How do you feel about raising the retirement age?

A: Well, I think that is a broken promise to Americans. They were sold a bill of goods when the Social Security came out, that’s a promise this country made people, we have to honor it.

Q: How do you feel about something like means testing, where wealthier Americans don’t get the same Social Security benefit that lower income Americans get?

A:

Source: Dean Borg, Iowa Public TV. on 2008 Iowa Senate debate Jun 6, 2008

Christopher Reed: Establishing Social Security was possibly a mistake

I think if they paid into Social Security they should get what they paid into it but I think Americans need a chance to opt out of Social Security if they choose to.

Q: So you favor some kind of a private account?

A: I would favor the option. You should be given the option in this country. You shouldn’t have to be given to a socialized system. If you want to opt out of and be in control of your own retirement you should be allowed to in this country. Q: Let’s look to history. Social Security was a Depression era program when the nation didn’t have a retirement system, a lot of people were in poverty. Was it a mistake?

A: I think it was a benevolent idea but when you take the power out of the people’s hands and put it into the government hands that’s not going to solve anything.

Q: So, it was a mistake?

A: Possibly yes.

Source: Dean Borg, Iowa Public TV. on 2008 Iowa Senate debate Jun 6, 2008

George Nethercutt: Save Social Security by decreasing government spending

MURRAY: Social Security is a promise from one generation to the next. It says if you work hard in this country, you will not be living in poverty when you retire. The biggest threat to the security of that system today is the $425 billion deficit that we are running today. Nethercutt just talked about tax cuts. I support targeted tax cuts that bring relief to middle-income families. The massive tax cuts that he has supported-50% goes to people making over $1 million a year-comes right out of that Social Security trust fund. Seniors won’t be able to count on that if we continue to raid that Social Security Trust Fund.

NETHERCUTT: Murray says that I want to privatize Social Security. She is trying to scare people on Social Security. She voted six times for higher taxes on Social Security recipients. Payroll taxes pay for Social Security. If you want to have payroll taxes, you want to have jobs. If you have jobs, you entrust the economy to the small-business economy, not increasing government spending.

Source: [Xref Murray] WA Senate Debate Oct 20, 2004

Patty Murray: Tax cuts for the millionaires are raiding Social Security

MURRAY: Social Security is a promise from one generation to the next. It says if you work hard in this country, you will not be living in poverty when you retire. The biggest threat to the security of that system today is the $425 billion deficit that we are running today. Nethercutt just talked about tax cuts. I support targeted tax cuts that bring relief to middle-income families. The massive tax cuts that he has supported-50% goes to people making over $1 million a year-comes right out of that Social Security trust fund. Seniors won’t be able to count on that if we continue to raid that Social Security Trust Fund.

NETHERCUTT: Murray says that I want to privatize Social Security. She is trying to scare people on Social Security. She voted six times for higher taxes on Social Security recipients. Payroll taxes pay for Social Security. If you want to have payroll taxes, you want to have jobs. If you have jobs, you entrust the economy to the small-business economy, not increasing government spending.

Source: WA Senate Debate Oct 20, 2004

  • The above quotations are from Washington Senate Debates: Patty Murray (D) vs. George Nethercutt (R), October 20, 2004.
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Candidates and political leaders on Social Security:

Retired Senate as of Jan. 2015:
GA:Chambliss(R)
IA:Harkin(D)
MI:Levin(D)
MT:Baucus(D)
NE:Johanns(R)
OK:Coburn(R)
SD:Johnson(D)
WV:Rockefeller(D)

Resigned from 113th House:
AL-1:Jo Bonner(R)
FL-19:Trey Radel(R)
LA-5:Rod Alexander(R)
MA-5:Ed Markey(D)
MO-9:Jo Ann Emerson(R)
NC-12:Melvin Watt(D)
SC-1:Tim Scott(R)
Retired House to run for Senate or Governor:
AR-4:Tom Cotton(R)
GA-1:Jack Kingston(R)
GA-10:Paul Broun(R)
GA-11:Phil Gingrey(R)
HI-1:Colleen Hanabusa(D)
IA-1:Bruce Braley(D)
LA-6:Bill Cassidy(R)
ME-2:Mike Michaud(D)
MI-14:Gary Peters(D)
MT-0:Steve Daines(R)
OK-5:James Lankford(R)
PA-13:Allyson Schwartz(D)
TX-36:Steve Stockman(R)
WV-2:Shelley Capito(R)
Retired House as of Jan. 2015:
AL-6:Spencer Bachus(R)
AR-2:Tim Griffin(R)
CA-11:George Miller(D)
CA-25:Howard McKeon(R)
CA-33:Henry Waxman(D)
CA-45:John Campbell(R)
IA-3:Tom Latham(R)
MN-6:Michele Bachmann(R)
NC-6:Howard Coble(R)
NC-7:Mike McIntyre(D)
NJ-3:Jon Runyan(R)
NY-4:Carolyn McCarthy(D)
NY-21:Bill Owens(D)
PA-6:Jim Gerlach(R)
UT-4:Jim Matheson(D)
VA-8:Jim Moran(D)
VA-10:Frank Wolf(R)
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