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BZ
The Bush Betrayal

By David Boaz
Sunday, November 30, 2003

In 2000 George W. Bush campaigned across the country telling voters: "My opponent trusts government. I trust you."

Little wonder that some of his supporters are now wondering which candidate won that election.

Federal spending has increased by 23.7 percent since Bush took office. Education has been further federalized in the No Child Left Behind Act. Bush pulled out all the stops to get Republicans in Congress to create the biggest new entitlement program -- prescription drug coverage under Medicare -- in 40 years.

He pushed an energy bill that my colleague Jerry Taylor described as "three parts corporate welfare and one part cynical politics . . . a smorgasbord of handouts and subsidies for virtually every energy lobby in Washington."

It's a far cry from the less-government, "leave us alone" conservatism of Ronald Reagan.

Conservatives used to believe that the U.S. Constitution set up a government of strictly limited powers.

Meat of article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20247-2003Nov28?language=printer

It could happen that limited-government voters decide to stay home, or vote for an independent candidate in the mold of Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura or vote Libertarian.

They could even vote for an antiwar, anti-Patriot Act, socially tolerant Democrat.

Given a choice between big-government liberalism and big-government conservatism, the leave-us-alone voters might decide that voting isn't worth the trouble.



The writer is executive vice president of the Cato Institute and author of "Libertarianism: A Primer."
Above material is presented for nonprofit educational purposes only and constitutes a 'fair use' of the copyrighted material as provided for in the US Copyright Law at Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.

Family Man
The fact of the matter is that conservatives like big government just as much as liberals and always have. They just have different priorities and no desire to pay for their expenditures.

boneyard bill
What I want to know BZ, is why you are going so easy on Bush?
You didn't even mention that he started a totally unnecessary and imperialistic war in Iraq, and that he has sought vast new govenment powers through the Patriot Act and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.

The Bush administration has been a disaster for the nation, a disaster for the Republican Party, and a disaster for the conservative movement.

As a libertarian conservative I voted for Bush in 2000 but do not intend to do so again. On the other hand, I don't intend to vote for any Democrat who says we have to "finish the job" in Iraq. And, unfortunately, that includes every plausible Democrat nominee.

I don't know what I'll do. Maybe vote for a third party or not vote at all.

BZ
Originally posted by boneyard bill
What I want to know BZ, is why you are going so easy on Bush?

I don't know what I'll do. Maybe vote for a third party or not vote at all.

I agree with every point you make BB. Bush is a disaster for America.

As a libertarian conservative myself, I only vote Libertarian or Independent.

You won't ever catch me voting for a Bush.

TMA68
Originally posted by boneyard bill
As a libertarian conservative
Out of curiousity, what makes a "libertarian conservative" different from both conservatives and libertarians? How would a libertarian conservative score on the Nolan quiz (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html)?

Todd Altman

BZ
TMAG68

Ever see the 3-Dimensional Nolan?

http://www.friesian.com/quiz.htm



Nolan chart is incomplete because it does not include "SIZE OF GOVERNMENT" dimension.

Example: One could be Libertarian Monarchist or Libertarian Anarchist.

I myself am a Right-leaning Libertarian Constitutionalist. (I mislabeled myself saying conservative)

As for your question.....a Libertarian Conservative would be one who falls on the "cusp" of Libertarian/Conservative on the Nolan.

Examples of Libertarian/Conservative would be Steve Forbes and Dick Armey.

Mullibok
Bush can basically do whatever big government stuff he wants, he knows the conservatives are stuck with nowhere else to turn.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ
Both of those suck. Their questions aren't very well worded, and are rather loaded.

BZ
Small Nolan is a bit loaded.


This is a 20 question Nolan, which gives extremely accurate -x,-y axis results. While no quiz is perfect, this one is accurate.

Try this one JTDC

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/XPolitics/quiz_main.asp?Page=1&Clear=Y

-x, -y axis' give your preference for government "flavor".

-z axis is then your preference for government "size." (i.e Dictatorship, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Republic, Democracy, Minarchy, Anarchy)



3-Dimensional Friesian analysis of the United States puts it at:

"Right-leaning Centrist Judicial Corporate Oligarchy"

TMA68
Originally posted by BZ
Try this one JTDC

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/XPolitics/quiz_main.asp?Page=1&Clear=Y

I noticed at least two major flaws in that quiz. First, it falsely suggests that libertarians, by definition, support school vouchers. In reality, there are at least as many (if not more) libertarians who oppose vouchers as there are libertarians who support them:

http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1000e.asp
http://www.sepschool.org/misc/vouchers.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates58.html
http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?FS=Voucher+Socialism
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr093003.htm
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-269.html

Second, it projects a woefully naive understanding of NAFTA and GATT.

http://www.progress.org/fpif24.htm
http://www.progress.org/ftaa01.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/trade/index.htm

Todd Altman

Brad Messenger
The issue not whether Bush's base will abandon him for another candidate. It's whether they will have the enthusiasm to go to the polls and vote him in large numbers. One of last things presidents want to see in their base is apathy.

BZ
Originally posted by TMA68
I noticed at least two major flaws in that quiz. First, it falsely suggests that libertarians, by definition, support school vouchers. In reality, there are at least as many (if not more) libertarians who oppose vouchers as there are libertarians who support them:

Second, it projects a woefully naive understanding of NAFTA and GATT.

Todd Altman

I agree 100% TMA.

I dont know their exact scoring, but I answered in libertarian fashion saying I opposed school vouchers, etc, still got accurate score.

I have seen just about all the online quizzes, I would say this latest one is the most accurate......still with those 2-3 flaws.

If you're familiar with the Selectsmart quizzes, they are some of the worst out there. All contain horrendous logic flaws.

I'm still looking for the purest most complete Nolan quiz. Let me know if you find it.

themistocles
Yes, I would favor a general increase in the "conservatism" of Bush in his second term. :)

BZ
"I'm conservative, but I'm not a nut about it." -George Bush: